D'oh! Boy. Manage Settings @JeremyECrawford What happens if a wild shaped druid is reduced to 0 by disintegrate? Random's articles include the the Armor Artificer Handbook, the Hexblade Warlock Handbook, and the Practical Guide to Magical Secrets. By clicking Accept all cookies, you agree Stack Exchange can store cookies on your device and disclose information in accordance with our Cookie Policy. Does your DM need to know or decide by fiat the mean age category of all Brass Dragons out there? You cant use any special senses you have (for example, darkvision) unless your new form also has that sense. It also explicitly calls out that you dont get any class levels or a spellcasting trait, (meaning you cant use the Diviner stat block from Volos mentioned above) which, again, seems to imply that you can with True Polymorph since this spell bothers calling that you cant. There is some tension between this spell's result at 0 HP and the other shape changing methods. the druids normal form is reduced to 0 hit points. When the target of the spell reaches 0 hit points they revert back to their original form, this is true even while the permanent duration is in effect. Monstrous Compendium Vol 3: Minecraft Creatures, * - (a jade circlet worth at least 1,500 gp, which you must place on your head before you cast the spell). Does it mean you can make up creatures from whole cloth and, as long as the calculated CR is less than that of your target, you can turn someone into a weredracopyre lich? If the Power Word Kill spell is cast on a Polymorphed creature, what happens? A level 50 druid with 10 skill in shapechange obtains 2/3 of the duration as a level 50 wizard with 10 skill in polymorph. The wording is different than the wording for the spell in the. One amusing thing you may have noticed that you cant do with True Polymorph is turn objects into other objects. Does a creature die outright if they drop below negative max hit points of their polymorphed form? At least of the Chromatic and Metallic standards. Wild Shape also comes into the game much earlier than those spells. Equipment that merges has no effect in that state. :). Once permanent, the spell is over. What differentiates living as mere roommates from living in a marriage-like relationship? by Gwain Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:22 pm, Post What differentiates living as mere roommates from living in a marriage-like relationship? Nothing will happen on this front until the basic polymorph code is fixed to address some of the mechanisms by which it is unbalancing and/or subject to abuse. Keep in mind that the lowest level you will be able to cast Polymorph is level 7, so you generally wont look for combat forms below CR 7. It says monsters can take class levels in the DMG. I recently discovered that many people share my profound enthusiasm for turning things into other things which, combined with fantasizing about high level spells as one often does, led me to make a guide where I discussed some of the fantastic utility available using True Polymorph and Shapechange. It acts on each of your turns. The transition phase still needs a creature to make that happen. You transform into an average example of that creature, one without any class levels or the Spellcasting trait. It seems valid to rule that disintegrate overrides the transitional form because it also destroys all non-magical equipment. Monsters and Death You also maintain your mental ability scores, which is a slightly double-edged sword but at least means youre not going to hose yourself if you do turn into something dumb and burly. The entire basis of the Disintegrate spell is to turn something to ash, and there doesn't seem to be anything in the polymorph spell that would counter that or stop the disintegration. Next paragraph: The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new form, and it cant speak, cast spells, or take any other action that requires hands or speech, unless its new form is capable of such actions.. the druid, not the beast form, drops to 0 hp. I suggest picking a form for disabling enemies by turning enemies into it, a form for scouting, and a general combat form. Does casting Disintegrate on a polymorphed enemy still kill it after the 2018 errata? That being said, as the above poster said, you are using the save of the new form, so just make sure whatever form you are shifting into has a high con and go wreak havoc on your enemies.Also, point of note, just change into a dragon of Legendary status. True Polymorph, Dragon Change Shape, and True Sight interaction. - Top - End - #12. At the level that this spell would come available, the damage exchanged in combat and the number of hits the new form would take would end the spell in a round or less. Thus, overpowered. At level 20, the best you can hope for is an Ancient White or Brass Dragon as the rest have a challenge rating of 21+ and that gets into "epic levels" (assuming any DMs use that kind of 21+ progression). You lose too much. True Polymorph only lets you use the abilities of the thing you change into and you lose your race and class features while transformed. by Nearraba Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:01 pm, Post The whole spell is so vaguely worded that basically any casting of it starts with an argument with your DM, so Im going to try and provide some clarity here. You also retain all of your skill and saving throw proficiencies, in addition to gaining those of the creature. There is nothing in the rules that says you cannot revert to your original form if you are no longer a "creature." Learn more about Stack Overflow the company, and our products. 3) You can use an action to change forms during your Shapechange. result of dropping to 0 hit points, any excess damage carries over to With that said, I hope that this article helps if you are among the tiny fraction of players or DMs who ever get to cast high-level transmutation magic. I have the idea that the "or dies" was for all other cases than PC, and the 0 HP was 'for all cases PC and those rare special NPC's that get to use the 0 HP rule." Role-playing Games Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for gamemasters and players of tabletop, paper-and-pencil role-playing games. Dragon Breath Weapons are NOT a guarantee to drop this because you forget that you can save for 1/2. Or at least thats what youd think, if you hadnt read this Sage Advice. by Nylo Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:47 pm, Post (That's powerful magic). And true polymorph allow changing creatures into objects and vice versa. or b) The body polymorphs back into its original form, then it disintegrates. The spellcaster level is also used for any cantrips included in the feature. You transform the creature into a different creature, the creature into a nonmagical object, or the object into a creature (the object must be neither worn nor carried by another creature). Some will argue that this would move the "balance" in the direction of "unbalanced" or "too powerful." It doesn't sound like the circlet would be consumed, BUT if the spell specifically states a component and a value like this I am confident a spell focus isn't enough to cast and you would be required to wear the 1500g + jade circlet at the time of casting the spell. Next paragraph: The targets gear melds into the new form. Have fun erasing the existence of every monster in the MM. Sorry, read the power wrong. A proper Wizard needs no friends. Remember from way up at the beginning that you cant transform the target into a magical object, so no you cant turn someone into a Sphere of Annihilation. You can turn an object into any kind of creature, as long as the creatures size is no larger than the objects size and the creatures challenge rating is 9 or lower. What about if you change it in ways that dont damage the product though? Browse other questions tagged, Start here for a quick overview of the site, Detailed answers to any questions you might have, Discuss the workings and policies of this site. Are animated things like Golems and Strangling Rugs creatures since they have stat blocks and therefore fair game, or are they magic items and therefore verboten? I'd be more interested in being able to shape change into a Adult Bronze Dragon. or, if we were in the ocean. a leviathan good god this would be epic, As I am reading it - rules as written - at level 17, when you can gain access to this spell, you could Shapechange into"any" Adult Dragon (assuming you had seenthe type of dragon before). Each of these things is a specific difference and considering the WotC lawyer speak writing of spells and actions and the various errata that they change over time (learned over years of writing the rules on Magic cards), I do not believe there is an intent to be vague. You, however, lose your own features and spells, and (arguably, although there isn't any rule specifying this) you'd be limited to casting non-concentration spells because technically you're concentrating on True Polymorph. The target is Disintegrated/Dust, because this specific case of "reducing to 0 hit points" due to this spell is unique to this spell effect, versus the general case of what happens when a creature is reduced to 0 hit points. ok, yep, so the definitions of Truesight and True Seeing are different. If we take both spells together, this seems to imply that Shapechange would allow you to turn into constructs were it not for the inclusion of the part where you cant, meaning that True Polymorph probably means that, in fact, you can. Unless the target was already animal-level intelligence (a familiar, a pet dog, etc. The ability is usable a few times per day, but it is based. If one rules that way, True Polymorph, Polymorph, Wildshape, and Shapechange become special defenses against the Disintegrate spell, even though these spells already provide the added benefit of an extra HP pool for the creature in that shape. You can only speak if the creature can normally speak. Are DMs table ruling around the constitution saves required after taking a hit with an active concentration spells? However, if the target within the antimagic field hits 0 hit points, or otherwise dies, the effect of True Polymorph would end should their body be removed from the antimagic field. The creature cant activate, use, wield, or otherwise benefit from any of its equipment. This lets you almost fully turn into something while still being an enormously powerful spellcaster from time to time if needed. It only takes a minute to sign up. Has anyone used this spell in a game? Most GMs have a monster die the instant it drops to 0 hit points, rather than having it fall unconscious and make death saving throws. To my understanding, this -is- the primary mode of combat, travel, etc. So what level of authenticity is required? by Selveem Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:00 am, Post the druid, not the beast form, drops to 0 hp. Being hungry, and animal stuff, I dont know. Dont consider combat forms from CR 0; there are better options available the moment you get Polymorph. The GM has the creatures statistics and resolves all of its actions and movement. There's a lot of differences between shapechange and polymorph. In other words, True Polymorph is still an active spell on the target, and would be suppressed but not removed by an antimagic field. If it reverts as a result of dropping to 0 hit points, any excess damage carries over to its normal form. -. #DnD Jeremy Crawford Quick list of some excellent forms for this: So lets talk about some other good forms: As for the last line there, basically its saying dont turn into a goldfish first, then turn into a Pit Fiend and expect to have 300 hp because instead youre still going to have 1 (although see the Death Slaad above). Dungeons & Dragons, D&D, their respective logos, and all Wizards titles and characters are property of Wizards of the Coast LLC in the U.S.A. and other countries. You can get a simulacrum to do the same, it's better to murder stuff with company after all. Ditto for Shapechange. Shapechange is more of a solo-featured spell while True Polymorph can affect others in the party and allow you to change objects and creatures. But you would still be an "average example of the creature". This is to represent that youre turning into a normal creature of that type, not one with additional training. Spell Tags: by Hrosskell Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:08 am, Post If we are going to follow SRD for almost everything as a standard, then we should adapt it for shape change. If you're concentrating on one spell, and you cast another concentration spell, when exactly does the first spell end? True Polymorph didnt exist before 5th edition and is an odd combination of Polymorph Any Object and Shapechange that has the notable distinction of being permanent if you can concentrate on it for the full hour. Speaking of gold, this is an even better way of breaking economies than Wish, which is impressive. your normal form. What were the most popular text editors for MS-DOS in the 1980s? As long as the excess damage doesn't reduce your normal form to 0 hit points, you aren't knocked unconscious. That's the biggest advantage - True Polymorph can let you create a decently strong companion if you decide to turn an object into a creature. Has the cause of a rocket failure ever been mis-identified, such that another launch failed due to the same problem? Spellcasting is a class feature, and the rule on components (PH, 203) says what is physically required to cast spells. You assume the hit points and Hit Dice of the new form. We and our partners use cookies to Store and/or access information on a device. Connect and share knowledge within a single location that is structured and easy to search. True Polymorph is permanent. The GM determines whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of equipment, based on the creature's shape and size. Already we have more clarity than True Polymorph, although that comes with some frustrating limitations. * (a jade circlet worth at least 1,500 gp, which you must place on your head before you cast the spell). Shapechanging You assume the form of a different creature for the duration. and have only 1 hit point left, you revert and take 9 damage. Improving the copy in the close modal and post notices - 2023 edition, New blog post from our CEO Prashanth: Community is the future of AI. rev2023.5.1.43405. Your culture? The description of the polymorph spell states that "A shapechanger automatically succeeds on this saving throw". You can get A Monster for Every Season: Summer 2 now at Gumroad, Started work on a 5E OGL SRD game that might get released on Drivethrurpg.com, http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/10/11/rue-polymorph/, The Fighter (redesigned with more than swinging a weapon in mind, uses inspiration dice), The Thug (Hybrid Barbarian/Rogue) ver. It seems to me that the concentration requirement would make it almost useless. Once they expend a number of spell slots from its new form, it proceeds to use its new 9th-level spell slot to cast True Polymorph on itself again, turning into a brand new Adult Gold Dragon form, and then using Change Shape to turn into a brand new Archmage form, and then repeats this process to gain an infinite number of spell slots. And you are allowed more than one use of this per day. 5e doesn't have any hidden rules, and there doesn't seem to be anything about it working that way in the Spellcasting chapter of the PHB - and if it did work that way, wouldn't it break Polymorph spells in general, since they lose their Spellcasting class feature while Polymorphed? Which reverse polarity protection is better and why? Dan Dillon (@Dan_Dillon_1) April 18, 2016. Now, in terms of power, neither True Polymorph nor 5es version of Shapechange hold a candle to Wish. If a Dragon under the effects of their Change Shape feature is cloned, can the cloned Dragon revert to their true form? at 0 hit points for the purposes of an effect like disintegrate until Which are the best True Polymorph forms to cheese this spell? The lowest CR that you should realistically consider combat forms. You can find more information about what constitutes a class feature among monster traits in this Q&A: What is considered a class feature for a monster for the purpose of Change Shape? 2023 Wizards. Wizards of the Coast LLC. I think freeing shapechange from Polymorph's duration constraints and list of available creatures (elementals, magical beasts, etc. Lets take a look at each paragraph in turn here. Keep in mind that the state of the meta periodically changes as new source materials are released, and the article will be updated accordingly as time allows. The Disintegrate result overwrites the "fall unconscious" effect for the targeted creature. The creature is limited in the actions it can perform by the nature of its new form, and it cant speak, cast spells, or take any other action that requires hands or speech, unless its new form is capable of such actions. @DavidCoffron Cool, that clears that up! There are several things that posters in this thread don't seem to realize about True Polymorph: that would likely become a DM discretion thing. Lets say, at my table, you can use any stat block that isnt for a unique creature. Role-playing Games Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for gamemasters and players of tabletop, paper-and-pencil role-playing games. When you revert to your normal form, you return to the number of hit To help with answers: is the spellcasting of an archmage a class or race feature? Those are the two big differences I see on a quick glance, there may be more if you dig into it. Im going to list a few great options for Undead and Constructs here since I cover everything else down in the Shapechange section. ); Just not at the hour a level suggested here. Which do you guys think is better they're so similar and I can't find a good straight answer. You know, animal stuff. by Tarven Sat Jul 07, 2012 7:13 pm, Post The GM determines whether it is practical for the new form to wear a piece of equipment, based on the creatures shape and size. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top, Not the answer you're looking for? All of this detail diving violates KISS principle, which is why I tried to focus on the "spell effect" and its unusual " and your equipment too" detail as significant. How do I stop the Flickering on Mode 13h? Shapechange only turns you into another creature. Per @Airatome's comment on Mr Crawford's tweet: I can't find a way to bring up the ENTIRE conversation, but it was noted this applies to Polymorph target's as well. The best answers are voted up and rise to the top, Not the answer you're looking for? What if, again, its a golem that you ordered to protect something and it sat for an hour doing absolutely nothing? Does Disintegrate reduce the a Polymorphed target to dust first or does the creature revert to its regular form first? Was going to say that I don't think you can take class levels after you TP, but I forgot entirely about the Clone spell. The shapechange spell says you retain your class features and can use them if your new form is physically capable of doing so. During this spells duration, you can use your action to assume a different form following the same restrictions and rules for the original form, with one exception: if your new form has more hit points than your current one, your hit points remain at their current value.
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